Immature Prophets

hearingGod's reply to a Seeking Person's encounter with a prophetic person with a message that didn't 'sit right' with them:

Now, as for you...i really don't know all that has been said & your relationship etc....but, at the same time...God can prophetically show people things that aren't pleasant (the old testament prophets had to do it with the kings all the time & they were

hated & persecuted for it). I don't know your friend--so I don't know--but sometimes, God shows things to a prophet & then the prophet can screw it up by injecting their own flesh....their own band-aide fix mixed in with the message. Like God shows them something, but instead of just giving a message or discerning that they not share it, but instead pray for the people involved...they take that message and mix it up with what they think is the solution. Of course we know God often does things unconventionally for this very reason and even if the prophet's own idea works, the prophet always miss out on blessing or there is always a consequence for not totally relying upon God. (*Note Balaam in the Book of Numbers around chapter 22.

Balaam could hear from God, but he had roots of inequity that he held onto instead of obeying God.)

If a prophet does this, it isn't necessarily a bad spirit taking them over or anything...it's just their mind trying to 'fix' a thing. Could make sense with good intentions and no control or benefit on behalf of the prophet. This happens a lot with immature prophets...just not enough understanding to know when 'it's God'--to ONLY deliver or pray for something and STAY in the spirit about it &/or not go off & allow another spirit in to taint it or to allow thier own flesh to come in and counsel 'thy will be done'. This is where you have to discern. You have to look at the whole picture...is this person prophetic and maybe they let their flesh in and perhaps this is why it's not setting well in your spirit?

If you have a warning in your spirit ask yourselves some basic questions:

Does the prophet often jive "'give a cup of water' to a prophet in return for blessings" and accept/promote donations? (greed)

Does the message bring attention to the prophet, esp. favorable accolade? (pride)

Does the prophet somehow benefit? (control, lust if for relationship)

Are you told to do or not do something--stay away from a certain individual? (control, manipulation)

The list can go on and on.... it's just important that you take that measure of warning, with common sense, ask for His revelation and then apply it alongside the Word of God.

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Go to the Source - The Bible

Seeking Person's Letter:
"George" read an Anne Rice book and the idea in there sounds very reasonable as well but then it makes me question the devil's 'job'. It was that the bad people that go to hell basically go to 'school' to learn about what they did to everyone else that made them go to hell. Then after all of the years going to Satan School if they learned from their mistakes God would accept them. Now that sounds right and makes sense except for one thing....if the devil is helping out then why the hell does everyone say that the devil wants to pull you in and he's bad and everything? I don't get it! Basically bad people go to satan and good people go to hell but what does satan have to do with anything? He sound to me like a disciplinarian. Is that bad? I don't know anymore....Please tell me what it all means.

hearingGod's Reply Letter:
The only way to know God's opinion about stuff is in the bible. Any other
interpretation of anything biblical is subject to demonic
influence...that goes with Anne Rice stuff...that even goes with a pastor preaching at the pulpit. It's because

man is a filter. God teaches me the greatest things when

I simply ask Him 'what's up with this or that?' --
and then ask Him to reveal the answers to me through the bible. Then
sometimes I still don't 'get it', with what He's saying in the
bible...but that's where the Holy Spirit comes in & shows me the
answer through dropping stuff in my path through everyday life &
songs & things. But the bible is always the source. Even looking up
stuff on the internet & typing in the subject of my question & then
adding the word 'scripture' ...I come across all kinds of bible
'teachings' that are 'false'. It's like; so what....add some
scripture to a bogus teaching that's full of evil, and people believe
it's 'accurate'. I can spot these things because of the Holy Spirit
confirming it within me. That's why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is
important...because it's inviting God inside to teach you. Occult
people invite the demonic spirits inside themselves to learn hidden
things...the baptism of the spirit is the opposite. It's really
simple...the problem is, is that the devil sneaks into the teachings
of man & perverts everything so it brings tons of confusion & twists
things to get man to attack religion & use religion as a weapon.
That's why the bible is so important, because it's not tainted.
(Granted there are some versions of the bible that have been
manipulated & the meanings changed a bit--most of those
have been widely exposed), but even with that,... with the
Holy Spirit inside...God shows us when something is false &
encourages us to look for the good signs or 'fruits' that prove it's
worth.

So...like I suggested before...start with the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke &
John) & then go through to the end of the book. Then, begin to ask God
where to read...even flip thru the pages & point your finger with your
eyes shut. If you really want to know...He'll reveal stuff to
you...and sometimes in the most amazing ways. He's even put
reflections of a heart on the wall for me when I've been sad. Other
people might think it was a coincidence, but because I was praying &
asking for help...the meaning was clear to me.

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Learning to Grow in Relationship and Spiritual Discernment

hearingGod's Letter:Words are powerful...they can create life or death. Consider how many people have said bad things about 'Bob'....those things become a curse & drag him down--it gives the devil access to torment him. I'm more careful now about how I judge people, because people can be so influenced by the devils voice. We should take it out on the devil & shut the access down instead of calling people stupid so much.

'Bob' I really admire...he is a really talented person--gifted in soooo many areas. Just so many nay-sayers that shut him down at times.
Most people want to medicate & drug the world...but I think darn near all of it is caused by spiritual access by the devil. Much of it built up curses that run in family lines. I tell you, I learn a lot more from God outside of man's view ofchurch since out of a 'padded pew'.

Sometimes you listen to those little voices too much...those ones that call you 'a damn sinner' & judge you as rotten because you don't go to church etc.-- that's a spirit of religion. I see more character in you than many that brag of being the number one bible study leader. You just need to believe you are who God says you are in Him & profess that when the 'thoughts' condemn you--because if you haven't figured out what i'm getting at...is that not every voice you hear in your head is your own...some of them you've 'thought' is 'you' your whole life---but really are inherited demons thru family curses. Then ofcourse you've got people you know that open pandora's box all the time & let the devil run right into their lives....that is different.
You can break the access the devil has by drawing close to Jesus & asking Him for deliverance. Asking for the sins of past generations to be broken so that they cannot have access to your child. I could tell you some wild stories. It just comes down to a matter of believing what the bible says & whenever you screw up to go to Him & ask forgiveness & then your slate is wiped clean & it doesn't get passed on to your kids. It won't work if you do it outta lip service out of fear...if you genuinely get to know Jesus & believe what He's promising--then you'll see all sorts of miracles & hear His 'voice' in all sorts of ways. Having a relationship--that's key. You'd do anything for a friend that you love...that's the kinda relationship God wants with people. 'Religion' just wants people in bondage & under laws & judgement. God only gave 'laws' so people wouldn't do things that would give the devil access into themselves....but a spirit of religion wants you to dress 'right', do this, do that or you'll burn in hell--Ha ha ha. Once you understand the difference between the 'why' God commanded something---that it was to protect people--you can really have freedom in life. Man puts himself into bondage under a spirit of religion. When 'free' you can explore that truly nothing is impossible & that God put talents upon you & desires in your heart & that you should pursue those things. You find fulfillment in life & His kingdom comes--everybody's happy ; p

Seeking Christian's Reply Letter:

Thank you....that helped.
You made me realize how much I put 'Bob' down myself.
I'm not sure about the family curses etc. and I know I'm not the best person but I appologize to God when I think bad thoughts about others and thank him for things that are good. I don't claim to be a holy roller or the best christian, that's one thing that bugs me about those who do....when their actions don't support values. I talk to God, well usually thank you or 'I'm sorry' just about everyday. THANK YOU FOR MY SON ALL THE TIME, I'M SOOO LUCKY TO HAVE HIM. I appologize for thinking to myself how fat someone is. I ask for help to get some of the horrible thoughts that go through my mind out. I pray when someone needs help or dies; but thats about it. I dont think you'd call that a relationship. I have some work to do.

hearingGod's Reply Letter:
You're really on the right track. The way to boost the relationship more is to do as much listening as you do talking ; ') and by that I mean investing some time in reading the bible. I don't do it nearly often enough myself, but I had a few intense years of reading it a lot so it's easier for me to find what i'm looking for...or God to remind me of a story that relates to a situation I need help with.

A good way to start is start at the 4 gospels & read from them to the end of the bible (over a period of time of course) ...then...what I would do is just ask God what he wanted to say to me...or to learn or whatever & I'd hear that 'small still voice' tell me a book & then some numbers. If I wasn't sure if it was chapter 2: vs 31 or chapter 23 vs. 1...I'd just read both. Other days I'd just close my eyes, pick a page & point & then read whatever my finger landed on. Some days stuff wouldn't correlate at all but others I'd have a tear in my eye because He'd nail my problem or encourage me or whatever. It's always hard at first, but getting into a set groove about it (I think my first dedication to reading the Word was bathroom visits--LOL). The neat thing is everybody's relationship with him is different so stuff me & 'Papa' share won't be the same as how you 2 do. That's a huge problem in institutionalized 'church'....one person gives a testimonial on how fasting did some miracle in their life so then everybody else decides to follow it like it's some recipe or formula. So essentially people don't consult God for their needs & situations...they follow a formula, like God is some genie in a bottle. So then they wonder why God never does anything for them...well, duh....they never got close enough to Him...they just wanted to hang out with a human that did. If you put that into human relational terms...they aren't being friends with God are they?... I'd be ticked-off to be treated that way.

All I can say is spiritually speaking...the devil doesn't want you to get close to God so you'll just have these feelings & thoughts that are negative vs. reading the scriptures. And you'll hear excuses in your head & yawning & all sorts of stuff. But that's the thing...you already have a good communication base with Him...you just need to hear more of His heart & plans through the word. As you invest in that...suddenly, your ears & eyes will begin to open...a song (and i'm not talking christian radio either!) will come on the radio that has the same theme of something you just read that last night...someone will say something in conversation & although they are clueless, you can recognize that God is answering a question you just asked through them. It is pretty wild how God speaks & it's not all religiousy & solemn either. That's why I love the 'matrix' movie series so much...it's not a religious movie...but it's really true to what is going on spiritually in this day & age--I know whoever wrote it...that God was inspiring their pen.

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